March 2016 - From Barbara Best Smith (Daughter of Merla Watts Best;Granddaughter of Sarah Elizabeth "Lizzie" Guthrie Watts)
I have traced our Guthrie lineage back to 6th great-grandfather John (John I), who came over from Scotland in 1684. He wound up in Middlesex County, Virginia, where he married Eliza Basket, 1687.
John I and Eliza had a son John II, 1689 [married to Mary Guthrie],
who had a son William C Guthrie, 1722-1798,
who had a son John III, 1757-abt 1822 [Married to Ann ?; was not Betty Ann Guthrie married to John Guthrey in Va],
who had a son Jonathan Guthrie 1781 [married to Jemima Arrington],
who had a son, William Henry Guthrie 1827-1904 [Married to Rebecca Jane Revis],
who had a daughter, Sarah Elizabeth Guthrie Watts 1869-1951!!
Now, I have a breakdown in the chain when it comes to William and his son John III. I used the family history you sent me in the Madison County NC Heritage as a starting point for William and John III.
The history in this publication gives conflicting accounts of John III's heritage. The first paragraph of John's story has him being born in 1757 in Madison County, KY, to William and Eleanor Abbott. The next paragraph has him born in Hanover County Va. in 1766 (probably a typo). Names of parents not noted.
My lineage research, and it seems pretty accurate, has William born in 1722 Middlesex County, Virginia, to John II and Mary Guthrie. While living in Middlesex county, William married a woman named Mary (not Eleanor Abbott as shown in the Heritage article) and they had a son named John III.
William died in 1734. His son, John III, would have been 10 years of age at the time of William's death. That would jibe with the Heritage account that he left Hanover (Middlesex) County, at the age of 10 and moved to Halifax County, NC. I base this on the fact that Middlesex and Hanover Counties are quite near each other and movement around that area probably would not have been uncommon. Often, in those days when a parent died, families were often split up and children sent off to other relatives to relieve some of the burden on the surviving spouse, which could have been the reason John went to Halifax Co. John III later found his way to Cumberland County, Virginia, where he married Betty Ann Allen.
My problem is with William's marriage to Eleanor Abbott. The family account in John III's story, has William marrying a Eleanor Abbott from Kentucky. I can find no evidence that William was ever in Kentucky and very little information at all on a Eleanor Abbott Guthrie. What little there is does not indicate that she ever left Madison County, KY. Also, there is evidence that she owned slaves and I find no connection with slavery in our branch. End of Notes from Barbara Smith - still under investigation
Obviously some deeper research is needed about William marriage to Mary vs Eleanor Abbott
Janice Black notes 2014
2014 - Thanks to who ever cleaned the marker. What a huge difference.... see the 2 pictures. Thank you. Janice Black
Served in both the Confederate and Union Army in the Civil War
Last served in Union Army
2nd NC Mounted Infantry
Per
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ncuv/collins1.htm
" North Carolina's four [White] Union regiments were: the First and Second North Carolina Union Volunteer Infantry, and the Second and Third North Carolina Mounted Infantry. The two mounted infantry regiments were stationed in Knoxville, Tennessee and saw service primarily in the mountains of Western North Carolina and Tennessee."
Family:
Great Grandson of William C. Guthrie B. 1722 Hanover Co. VA d. 1798 in Madison County NC and Eleanor Abbott Guthrie b. 1734 and died 3/16/1816 in Burbon Co. KY (assume she was living with son Ruben Guthrie in KY)
Grandson of John and Anne Guthrie both buried in Jupiter Cemetery (very close to his marker)
Son of Jonathan Guthrie (1781-abt 1860/70) and Jemima Arrington (1790-abt 1870/80) - both buried in unknown locations
Husband of Rebecca Jane Revis, married 4/9/1849 in Buncombe NC
Father of:
1. Elbert S Guthrie (1853-1934)
2. Thomas Jackson Guthrie (1854-1922) married Amanda Jane Gowan
3. Lewis S Guthrie (1859-1889) married Lou Ellen Patton. She is buried in Green Hills Cemetery in Asheville and he may be also buried there.
4. Mary Catherine Guthrie 1857-1939) married Charles Melton McLean - both buried in Flint Hill Cemetery Buncombe NC
5. Robert Wesley Guthrie (1862-1934) married Hannah Loretta Hunter
6. William Bartley or Bartlette Guthrie (1865-1941) married Mary Matilda Jane Hunter
7. Sarah Elizabeth Guthrie (1870-1951) Married Benjamin Richard Watts. They separated after many years and 6 children; he moved to Oklahoma. She is buried in Jupiter Cemetery.
8. Laura E Guthrie 1869-1912 married James F Chandler
9. Telitha Jane Guthrie b. 1857 - other details unknown
10. Louisa Guthrie b. 1860 - other details unknown
I have traced our Guthrie lineage back to 6th great-grandfather John (John I), who came over from Scotland in 1684. He wound up in Middlesex County, Virginia, where he married Eliza Basket, 1687.
John I and Eliza had a son John II, 1689 [married to Mary Guthrie],
who had a son William C Guthrie, 1722-1798,
who had a son John III, 1757-abt 1822 [Married to Ann ?; was not Betty Ann Guthrie married to John Guthrey in Va],
who had a son Jonathan Guthrie 1781 [married to Jemima Arrington],
who had a son, William Henry Guthrie 1827-1904 [Married to Rebecca Jane Revis],
who had a daughter, Sarah Elizabeth Guthrie Watts 1869-1951!!
Now, I have a breakdown in the chain when it comes to William and his son John III. I used the family history you sent me in the Madison County NC Heritage as a starting point for William and John III.
The history in this publication gives conflicting accounts of John III's heritage. The first paragraph of John's story has him being born in 1757 in Madison County, KY, to William and Eleanor Abbott. The next paragraph has him born in Hanover County Va. in 1766 (probably a typo). Names of parents not noted.
My lineage research, and it seems pretty accurate, has William born in 1722 Middlesex County, Virginia, to John II and Mary Guthrie. While living in Middlesex county, William married a woman named Mary (not Eleanor Abbott as shown in the Heritage article) and they had a son named John III.
William died in 1734. His son, John III, would have been 10 years of age at the time of William's death. That would jibe with the Heritage account that he left Hanover (Middlesex) County, at the age of 10 and moved to Halifax County, NC. I base this on the fact that Middlesex and Hanover Counties are quite near each other and movement around that area probably would not have been uncommon. Often, in those days when a parent died, families were often split up and children sent off to other relatives to relieve some of the burden on the surviving spouse, which could have been the reason John went to Halifax Co. John III later found his way to Cumberland County, Virginia, where he married Betty Ann Allen.
My problem is with William's marriage to Eleanor Abbott. The family account in John III's story, has William marrying a Eleanor Abbott from Kentucky. I can find no evidence that William was ever in Kentucky and very little information at all on a Eleanor Abbott Guthrie. What little there is does not indicate that she ever left Madison County, KY. Also, there is evidence that she owned slaves and I find no connection with slavery in our branch. End of Notes from Barbara Smith - still under investigation
Obviously some deeper research is needed about William marriage to Mary vs Eleanor Abbott
Janice Black notes 2014
2014 - Thanks to who ever cleaned the marker. What a huge difference.... see the 2 pictures. Thank you. Janice Black
Served in both the Confederate and Union Army in the Civil War
Last served in Union Army
2nd NC Mounted Infantry
Per
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ncuv/collins1.htm
" North Carolina's four [White] Union regiments were: the First and Second North Carolina Union Volunteer Infantry, and the Second and Third North Carolina Mounted Infantry. The two mounted infantry regiments were stationed in Knoxville, Tennessee and saw service primarily in the mountains of Western North Carolina and Tennessee."
Family:
Great Grandson of William C. Guthrie B. 1722 Hanover Co. VA d. 1798 in Madison County NC and Eleanor Abbott Guthrie b. 1734 and died 3/16/1816 in Burbon Co. KY (assume she was living with son Ruben Guthrie in KY)
Grandson of John and Anne Guthrie both buried in Jupiter Cemetery (very close to his marker)
Son of Jonathan Guthrie (1781-abt 1860/70) and Jemima Arrington (1790-abt 1870/80) - both buried in unknown locations
Husband of Rebecca Jane Revis, married 4/9/1849 in Buncombe NC
Father of:
1. Elbert S Guthrie (1853-1934)
2. Thomas Jackson Guthrie (1854-1922) married Amanda Jane Gowan
3. Lewis S Guthrie (1859-1889) married Lou Ellen Patton. She is buried in Green Hills Cemetery in Asheville and he may be also buried there.
4. Mary Catherine Guthrie 1857-1939) married Charles Melton McLean - both buried in Flint Hill Cemetery Buncombe NC
5. Robert Wesley Guthrie (1862-1934) married Hannah Loretta Hunter
6. William Bartley or Bartlette Guthrie (1865-1941) married Mary Matilda Jane Hunter
7. Sarah Elizabeth Guthrie (1870-1951) Married Benjamin Richard Watts. They separated after many years and 6 children; he moved to Oklahoma. She is buried in Jupiter Cemetery.
8. Laura E Guthrie 1869-1912 married James F Chandler
9. Telitha Jane Guthrie b. 1857 - other details unknown
10. Louisa Guthrie b. 1860 - other details unknown
March 2016 - From Barbara Best Smith (Daughter of Merla Watts Best;Granddaughter of Sarah Elizabeth "Lizzie" Guthrie Watts)
I have traced our Guthrie lineage back to 6th great-grandfather John (John I), who came over from Scotland in 1684. He wound up in Middlesex County, Virginia, where he married Eliza Basket, 1687.
John I and Eliza had a son John II, 1689 [married to Mary Guthrie],
who had a son William C Guthrie, 1722-1798,
who had a son John III, 1757-abt 1822 [Married to Ann ?; was not Betty Ann Guthrie married to John Guthrey in Va],
who had a son Jonathan Guthrie 1781 [married to Jemima Arrington],
who had a son, William Henry Guthrie 1827-1904 [Married to Rebecca Jane Revis],
who had a daughter, Sarah Elizabeth Guthrie Watts 1869-1951!!
Now, I have a breakdown in the chain when it comes to William and his son John III. I used the family history you sent me in the Madison County NC Heritage as a starting point for William and John III.
The history in this publication gives conflicting accounts of John III's heritage. The first paragraph of John's story has him being born in 1757 in Madison County, KY, to William and Eleanor Abbott. The next paragraph has him born in Hanover County Va. in 1766 (probably a typo). Names of parents not noted.
My lineage research, and it seems pretty accurate, has William born in 1722 Middlesex County, Virginia, to John II and Mary Guthrie. While living in Middlesex county, William married a woman named Mary (not Eleanor Abbott as shown in the Heritage article) and they had a son named John III.
William died in 1734. His son, John III, would have been 10 years of age at the time of William's death. That would jibe with the Heritage account that he left Hanover (Middlesex) County, at the age of 10 and moved to Halifax County, NC. I base this on the fact that Middlesex and Hanover Counties are quite near each other and movement around that area probably would not have been uncommon. Often, in those days when a parent died, families were often split up and children sent off to other relatives to relieve some of the burden on the surviving spouse, which could have been the reason John went to Halifax Co. John III later found his way to Cumberland County, Virginia, where he married Betty Ann Allen.
My problem is with William's marriage to Eleanor Abbott. The family account in John III's story, has William marrying a Eleanor Abbott from Kentucky. I can find no evidence that William was ever in Kentucky and very little information at all on a Eleanor Abbott Guthrie. What little there is does not indicate that she ever left Madison County, KY. Also, there is evidence that she owned slaves and I find no connection with slavery in our branch. End of Notes from Barbara Smith - still under investigation
Obviously some deeper research is needed about William marriage to Mary vs Eleanor Abbott
Janice Black notes 2014
2014 - Thanks to who ever cleaned the marker. What a huge difference.... see the 2 pictures. Thank you. Janice Black
Served in both the Confederate and Union Army in the Civil War
Last served in Union Army
2nd NC Mounted Infantry
Per
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ncuv/collins1.htm
" North Carolina's four [White] Union regiments were: the First and Second North Carolina Union Volunteer Infantry, and the Second and Third North Carolina Mounted Infantry. The two mounted infantry regiments were stationed in Knoxville, Tennessee and saw service primarily in the mountains of Western North Carolina and Tennessee."
Family:
Great Grandson of William C. Guthrie B. 1722 Hanover Co. VA d. 1798 in Madison County NC and Eleanor Abbott Guthrie b. 1734 and died 3/16/1816 in Burbon Co. KY (assume she was living with son Ruben Guthrie in KY)
Grandson of John and Anne Guthrie both buried in Jupiter Cemetery (very close to his marker)
Son of Jonathan Guthrie (1781-abt 1860/70) and Jemima Arrington (1790-abt 1870/80) - both buried in unknown locations
Husband of Rebecca Jane Revis, married 4/9/1849 in Buncombe NC
Father of:
1. Elbert S Guthrie (1853-1934)
2. Thomas Jackson Guthrie (1854-1922) married Amanda Jane Gowan
3. Lewis S Guthrie (1859-1889) married Lou Ellen Patton. She is buried in Green Hills Cemetery in Asheville and he may be also buried there.
4. Mary Catherine Guthrie 1857-1939) married Charles Melton McLean - both buried in Flint Hill Cemetery Buncombe NC
5. Robert Wesley Guthrie (1862-1934) married Hannah Loretta Hunter
6. William Bartley or Bartlette Guthrie (1865-1941) married Mary Matilda Jane Hunter
7. Sarah Elizabeth Guthrie (1870-1951) Married Benjamin Richard Watts. They separated after many years and 6 children; he moved to Oklahoma. She is buried in Jupiter Cemetery.
8. Laura E Guthrie 1869-1912 married James F Chandler
9. Telitha Jane Guthrie b. 1857 - other details unknown
10. Louisa Guthrie b. 1860 - other details unknown
I have traced our Guthrie lineage back to 6th great-grandfather John (John I), who came over from Scotland in 1684. He wound up in Middlesex County, Virginia, where he married Eliza Basket, 1687.
John I and Eliza had a son John II, 1689 [married to Mary Guthrie],
who had a son William C Guthrie, 1722-1798,
who had a son John III, 1757-abt 1822 [Married to Ann ?; was not Betty Ann Guthrie married to John Guthrey in Va],
who had a son Jonathan Guthrie 1781 [married to Jemima Arrington],
who had a son, William Henry Guthrie 1827-1904 [Married to Rebecca Jane Revis],
who had a daughter, Sarah Elizabeth Guthrie Watts 1869-1951!!
Now, I have a breakdown in the chain when it comes to William and his son John III. I used the family history you sent me in the Madison County NC Heritage as a starting point for William and John III.
The history in this publication gives conflicting accounts of John III's heritage. The first paragraph of John's story has him being born in 1757 in Madison County, KY, to William and Eleanor Abbott. The next paragraph has him born in Hanover County Va. in 1766 (probably a typo). Names of parents not noted.
My lineage research, and it seems pretty accurate, has William born in 1722 Middlesex County, Virginia, to John II and Mary Guthrie. While living in Middlesex county, William married a woman named Mary (not Eleanor Abbott as shown in the Heritage article) and they had a son named John III.
William died in 1734. His son, John III, would have been 10 years of age at the time of William's death. That would jibe with the Heritage account that he left Hanover (Middlesex) County, at the age of 10 and moved to Halifax County, NC. I base this on the fact that Middlesex and Hanover Counties are quite near each other and movement around that area probably would not have been uncommon. Often, in those days when a parent died, families were often split up and children sent off to other relatives to relieve some of the burden on the surviving spouse, which could have been the reason John went to Halifax Co. John III later found his way to Cumberland County, Virginia, where he married Betty Ann Allen.
My problem is with William's marriage to Eleanor Abbott. The family account in John III's story, has William marrying a Eleanor Abbott from Kentucky. I can find no evidence that William was ever in Kentucky and very little information at all on a Eleanor Abbott Guthrie. What little there is does not indicate that she ever left Madison County, KY. Also, there is evidence that she owned slaves and I find no connection with slavery in our branch. End of Notes from Barbara Smith - still under investigation
Obviously some deeper research is needed about William marriage to Mary vs Eleanor Abbott
Janice Black notes 2014
2014 - Thanks to who ever cleaned the marker. What a huge difference.... see the 2 pictures. Thank you. Janice Black
Served in both the Confederate and Union Army in the Civil War
Last served in Union Army
2nd NC Mounted Infantry
Per
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ncuv/collins1.htm
" North Carolina's four [White] Union regiments were: the First and Second North Carolina Union Volunteer Infantry, and the Second and Third North Carolina Mounted Infantry. The two mounted infantry regiments were stationed in Knoxville, Tennessee and saw service primarily in the mountains of Western North Carolina and Tennessee."
Family:
Great Grandson of William C. Guthrie B. 1722 Hanover Co. VA d. 1798 in Madison County NC and Eleanor Abbott Guthrie b. 1734 and died 3/16/1816 in Burbon Co. KY (assume she was living with son Ruben Guthrie in KY)
Grandson of John and Anne Guthrie both buried in Jupiter Cemetery (very close to his marker)
Son of Jonathan Guthrie (1781-abt 1860/70) and Jemima Arrington (1790-abt 1870/80) - both buried in unknown locations
Husband of Rebecca Jane Revis, married 4/9/1849 in Buncombe NC
Father of:
1. Elbert S Guthrie (1853-1934)
2. Thomas Jackson Guthrie (1854-1922) married Amanda Jane Gowan
3. Lewis S Guthrie (1859-1889) married Lou Ellen Patton. She is buried in Green Hills Cemetery in Asheville and he may be also buried there.
4. Mary Catherine Guthrie 1857-1939) married Charles Melton McLean - both buried in Flint Hill Cemetery Buncombe NC
5. Robert Wesley Guthrie (1862-1934) married Hannah Loretta Hunter
6. William Bartley or Bartlette Guthrie (1865-1941) married Mary Matilda Jane Hunter
7. Sarah Elizabeth Guthrie (1870-1951) Married Benjamin Richard Watts. They separated after many years and 6 children; he moved to Oklahoma. She is buried in Jupiter Cemetery.
8. Laura E Guthrie 1869-1912 married James F Chandler
9. Telitha Jane Guthrie b. 1857 - other details unknown
10. Louisa Guthrie b. 1860 - other details unknown
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